PODCAST — Remedy Roundtable 04- with Joe Atwill, Bill Joslin, Ryan Gilmore and Jan Irvin – “Psychopaths: The Morally Insane” – #211 | Gnostic Media

Gnostic Media
Sept 2, 2014


This episode is Remedy Roundtable 04, titled: Psychopaths: The Morally Insane.

Released on Thursday, August 14, 2014, Recorded on Monday, August 18.

In this series we have an international team with the Joe Atwill – the author of Caesear’s Messiah, who’s been on many times before; Bill Joslin from Canada – whom we introduced a few weeks ago with our video Meditation: Deconstructing Nonsense; and also Ryan Gilmore – host of Inside Out Asylum, in the UK. Both Joe and I are in Southern California.

Joe Atwill’s websites:

Ryan Gilmore’s website:

Trivium Education:

Notes for this episode:

Past episodes:
Dr. James DeMeo interview – “Saharasia, Pt. 1″ – #007 – members only.
Dr. James DeMeo interview – “Saharasia, Pt. 2″ – #009 – members only.
Saharasia book:
A Conversation on LSD:

How To Become A Cult Leader:

Well-known but misleading movie portrayals:

Psycho (1960) (Norman Bates)
•   depicts psychopaths as having multiple personality disorder

slasher movie villains (70s & 80s) (Jason Voorhees, Freddy Kruger, Michael Myers)
•   deranged and manic criminally insane killers. Could be classed as psychopaths, but are very rare in the real world.

Silence of the Lambs (1991) (Hannibal Lector) (nb. Manhunter (1986) is more accurate)
•   Links psychopathy to cannibalism.

American Psycho (2000) (Patrick Bateman)
•   gives the impression that psychopaths are psychotic and hallucinate.

Accurate movie portrayals:

Gaslight (1944) (Gregory Anton)
•   A psychopath marries a woman to get at her jewels, and convinces her she is insane.

Clockwork Orange (1971) (Alex)
•   The state using aversion therapy to control a psychopath. It doesn’t work.

The Devils (1971) (Urbain Grandier)
•   portrayed as a victimised hero in the Ken Russell film and in the source novel (Aldous Huxley’s The Devils of Loudun (1952)) (see chapter 5 of Thomas Sheridan’s Defeated Demons (2012). Sheridan argues that Huxley is a psychopathic author defending the actions of a psychopathic character from history, and that the charming and sexually promiscuous Grandier was the real cause of chaos and strife at Loudun in 1634).

To Die For (1995) (Suzanne Stone)
•   Dr. Robert Hare consulted Nicole Kidman on her character

The Talented Mr Ripley (1999) (Tom Ripley)

The Imposter (2012 documentary) (Frédéric Bourdin)
•   low-level con man, who constantly changed his identity, spins an amazing web of lies on camera

Accurate symbolic fictional portrayals:

Some fantasy stories evoke the emotional realism of a psychopath using symbolism:

Bram Stoker’s Dracula (1897) (nb. Count Dracula is in part based on real-life actor Sir Henry Irving)
•   drains life energy from victims (blood drinking)
•   can spread his psychopathy (by biting victims)
•   cannot self reflect (no reflection in mirrors)
•   can assume different personalities (shapeshifter)
•   able to seduce others (usually presented as very attractive to women)

Children’s Fairytales (various wicked stepmothers, imps, and wolves) Example: Rumpelstiltskin (16th century?)
•   predatory lender (creates gold out of thin air for the miller’s daughter in exchange for her life and first born child)
•   uninterested in riches, really interested in human ownership and control
•   Is defeated when protagonist becomes aware of who he really is (when she finds out his real name, a way of bringing something clearly into consciousness, the ‘spell’ on her is broken)

Marshall McLuhan: Classical Trivium

Adrian Raine’s “Anatomy of Violence”

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