October 11, 2013
From the description at disseminus based on my themes of discussion:
A discussion led by Morris 108
On the subject of conspiracy theories:
They are demeaned and the perpetrators are smeared — normally emotionally and not intellectually. There is also an important distinction between a False Flag and a Hoax. Furthermore, there are limits as to how much any organisation of ‘truthers’ cannot be thoroughly infiltrated. It is worth realising that the very people who plan a hoax or a false flag may also be the ones who plan the cover ups and investigative committees, and so it seems that the questions are endless, or are they… ?
Please note the podcast is of an interview the day after the presentation – this video is just the first few minutes – the woolwich part …
By Madison Ruppert
Editor of End the Lie
May 25, 2013
Before Michael Adebolajo was caught on camera with blood-soaked hands wielding knives after allegedly beheading British soldier Lee Rigby in South East London, British intelligence agents attempted to recruit him according to a friend.
Abedolajo, a 28-year-old British national of Nigerian descent, was identified by friends, acquaintances and British media as the man seen in the video of the aftermath of the Woolwich murder.
The BBC reported that Adebolajo and 22-year-old Michael Adebowale were both known to MI5 for eight years, citing anonymous Whitehall sources.
According to the New York Times, Adebowale was born in Nigeria and immigrated to the UK as a child. Adebolajo was born in Britain to a Christian family that moved from Nigeria. Adebolajo reportedly converted to Islam after the attacks on September 11, 2001.
MI5 allegedly attempted to recruit Adebolajo
According to Adebolajo’s friend Abu Nusaybah, MI5 agents attempted to recruit Adebolajo six months ago.
Interestingly, Nusaybah was arrested immediately after he made the statements to the BBC in an interview.
Nusaybah was arrested by British counter-terrorism police on suspected terrorism offenses, according to CNN. The arrest was not connected to the Woolwich killing, according to a Scotland Yard spokesman who talked to CNN.
According to an unnamed BBC employee, British police waited inside the BBC studios in London while the interview was conducted and waited for it to conclude before making the arrest.
Police confirmed that Nusaybah, 31, had been arrested in relation to suspected terrorism offenses, according to the BBC. Police added that search warrants were being executed at two east London homes.
Adebolajo in Kenya
In the interview, Nusaybah said that he believed “a change” took place in Adebolajo after he returned from a trip to Kenya last year.
According to Nusaybah, Adebolajo went to Kenya “to study” but was rounded up by “Kenyan troops,” interrogated and “beaten quite badly.”
Nusaybah said that in his opinion Adebolajo had been sexually abused though Adebolajo was too “ashamed” to say what happened.
Adebolajo became “less talkative – he wasn’t his bubbly self,” according to Nusaybah, and “his mind was somewhere else.”
When Adebolajo returned from Kenya to the UK, he was stopped and later “followed up by MI5” who were “knocking on his door.”
Adebolajo was “basically being harassed,” according to Nusaybah.
“His wording was, ‘They are bugging me – they won’t leave me alone,’” Nusaybah said of Adebolajo.
“Initially they wanted to ask him if he knew certain individuals. But after him saying that he didn’t know these individuals, what he said was they asked him if he would be interested in working for them,” Nusaybah said. “He was explicit in that he refused to work for them but he did confirm he didn’t know the individuals.”
CNN, however, cited Kenyan counter-terrorism sources who said that “Adebolajo traveled to Kenya in November 2010 and was arrested in the coastal town of Lamu for trying to cross illegally into Somalia.”
Some refuse to condemn the attack
A friend of Adebolajo, Abu Baraa, refused to condemn the killing and called Adebolajo “very caring” in an interview with CNN.
Similarly, Omar Bakri, a Syrian-born Islamist who reportedly once taught Adebolajo, said he was surprised by Adebolajo.
“When I saw that, honestly I was very surprised – standing firm, courageous, brave. Not running away. Rather, he said why he carried (it out) and he wanted the whole world to hear it,” Bakri said.
Bakri, along with Shah Jalal Hussain, who was convicted of fundraising for terrorists in a UK court, debated Christian apologists Sam Shamoun of Answering Islam and David Wood of Answering Muslims in 2011.
Anjem Choudary, who previously protested with Adebolajo, similarly praised the attack in an interview on the BBC.
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by Stephen Lendman
May 24, 2013
Reports said two assailants hacked a British soldier to death. He’s been identified as Lee Rigby. He was killed in broad daylight. It was several hundred meters from southeast London’s Woolwich Royal Artillery barracks.
Weapons included a machete type knife. Alleged attackers remained on the scene. They did so until police arrived 20 minutes later.
Why wasn’t explained. Killers don’t usually stay around to be captured. Both assailants were shot and apprehended. They were hospitalized for treatment.
One allegedly said “(w)e must fight as they fight us. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.” Britain’s ITV news aired an edited video clip.
Allegedly an onlooker filmed it.
The clip showed a young Black man with blood dripping from his hands saying “(w)e swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you.”
”The only reason reason we have done this is because Muslims are dying every day.”
“The British soldier is an eye for eye, a tooth for a tooth.”
ITV edited the statement. It said nothing about “do(ing) this because Muslims are dying every day.” Unedited it said:
“There are many, many ayah (religious verses) throughout the Koran that says we must fight them as they fight us, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.”
“I apologize that women had to witness this today but in our land women have to see the same.”
“You people will never be safe. Remove your government. They don’t care about you.”
“You think David Cameron will get stuck in the street, when we start busting our guns?”
“You think your politicians are gonna die? not it’s gonna be the average like you, and your children.”
“So get rid of them. Tell them to bring our troops back, so you can all live in peace.”
Reports called what happened the first domestic Al Qaeda-inspired attack since the July 7, 2005 underground (so-called 7/7) bombings.
A series of attacks targeted the city’s public transport system. They came during the morning rush hour. They were for maximum disruption and casualties.
At precisely the same time, an anti-terror drill occurred. It simulated real attacks. It was no coincidence.
The real attack was a false flag. It was done to heighten fear. At issue was enlisting public sentiment to keep Britain allied with Washington’s imperial wars.
At the time, AP reported that Israel’s London embassy warned Scotland Yard in advance. Israeli Army Radio said:
“Scotland Yard had intelligence warnings of the attacks a short time before they occurred.”
No action was taken. Israel’s then finance minister Netanyahu was told to skip a London economic conference. He was scheduled to speak.
Other officials were warned, not the public. Fifty-two people died. Over 700 were injured.
These type incidents automatically raise questions. Answers are needed before jumping to conclusions. The timing of Wednesday’s killing is very suspicious.
It comes when Washington, Britain, other NATO allies, and Israel head toward full-scale war on Syria. Secretary of State John Kerry’s traveling through the Middle East.
A so-called June peace conference is scheduled. It’s subterfuge. Prior peace initiatives failed. So will this one. Demanding Assad must go assures it. Washington’s proxy war was launched to do so. Expect no change of plans now.
Kerry met with foreign ministers of 11 so-called Friends of Syria countries and opposition group representatives. He discussed Syria with Netanyahu in Jerusalem.
Multiple Israeli provocations preceded his visit. On May 23, Haaretz said Israel’s “maintaining intense intelligence activity in Syria and working with local villagers.”
It’s considering a covert Syrian “proxy force.” It claims doing so will protect Israeli security. Israel’s armed forces are very able on their own.
A so-called proxy force, if established, is clearly provocative. It heads things closer to full-scale intervention. Washington and Israel partner in all regional belligerence. They jointly plan and implement conflicts.
Kerry’s trip coincides with Washington’s plan to ramp up support for so-called “rebels.” He demands Assad must go. He’s uncompromising. So is Obama. Full-scale conflict could erupt any time.
Manufactured pretexts make it easier. False flags are longstanding pre-war tactics. They’re US/Israeli specialties. Britain’s an active co-conspirator.
Muslim extremism was blamed for Wednesday’s London killing. We’ve seen this all before. Expect heightened Islamophobia ahead. UK, US, other key NATO allies, and Israel benefit most. They’ll take full advantage.
British MP George Galloway said “(t)his sickening atrocity in London is exactly what we are paying the same kind of people to do in Syria.”
True enough. He omitted explaining what appears most important.
Washington and complicit allies manufacture pretexts. They did so to justify proxy war on Syria. It’s a short step to intervening full-blown.
They’ve done it before. They manipulate public sentiment. They fabricated reasons to attack Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. They’re doing so against Iran.
They want public support. Stoking anti-Muslim rage enlists it.
Post-9/11, Bush’s Afghan war was popular. Few knew what’s now more apparent. Fewer understood Washington’s imperial agenda.
Multiple wars followed. New ones are planned. The entire region and beyond may become embroiled in conflict. Advancing America’s imperium matters most.
At issue is creating pretexts to do so. Perhaps London’s incident is the latest. The fullness of time will explain more.
Prime Minister David Cameron convened an emergency meeting. Top advisors and intelligence officials attended.
UK Home Secretary, Theresa May, called an emergency Civil Contingencies Committee (COBRA) meeting. Cameron chaired it. It includes cabinet ministers and high-level security officials. It deals with terrorism and other major crises.
COBRA refers to the room where committee members meet – Cabinet Office Briefing Room A. A terrorist alert was imposed. Heightened security steps were taken.
These measures don’t commonly follow street killings. It doesn’t matter how gruesome. Most incidents get scant coverage. Many go unnoticed.
This one suggests something bigger. What happened may be pretext for what’s planned. It remains to be seen what follows.
Peter Eyre is a Middle East consultant, geopolitical analyst, investigative journalist, anti-war activist, and valued Progressive Radio News Hour guest.
He jumped on the Woolrich incident. He discussed justifiable reasons to doubt the legitimacy of official reports. They have a distinct aroma. They fall short of truth and full disclosure.
On May 23, Eyre headlined “Woolwich beheading: Security tightened at all London army barracks.” His detailed analysis includes images.
“The gruesome scene of a decapitated actor with no police or paramedics at the scene and no blood,” he said.
The “offenders are shot by armed police who are in attendance in the background but the murder scene has not been secured!!”
Many awakened “to this amazing Shakespearean play that has unfolded in Woolwich, London where all the actors were so bad they would not even qualify for an interview as an extra in some third rate movie!!”
Eyre asked if police “drag(ged) the (victim’s) body around the corner?”
“BBC stated a man wearing a Help the Hero’s T Shirt was hit by a car, then attacked and killed with a machete or sword by the cars occupants.”
(S)o much vivid violence and yet still no blood at the sceneâ€¦why?”
“(B)ecause the actors had not had time to splash it around before they filmed the scene.”
“(I)t was however added later as the picture (in his article) showsâ€¦the blood is only on the pavement and not on the road!!”
“(D)o you think they attempted to copy the Boston Bombing but somehow did not get it right?”
Eyre suggested that blood on a signpost was “Tomato Ketchup!!”
Key is calling the incident Islamic terrorism. Doing so automatically raises suspicions. Most often, the usual suspects are patsies. They’re props for planned state-sponsored mischief.
Expect UK, America, Israel and imperial allies to take full advantage. Police state harshness may increase. Waging war on Islam will continue.
Doing so full-scale against Syria appears likely. What’s long planned may erupt any time.
A Final Comment
UK media reports identified one alleged attacker. Twenty-eight year old Michael Abebolajo grew up in Romford. He comes from a Christian family. In 2003, he converted to Islam.
A man who knew his family said they were very pleasant. Friends called him very quiet. In school, he was a good guy, they said. They were shocked to learn a former schoolmate faces murder charges.
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21st Century Wire says…
[May 25, 2013]
What a difference a day makes…
People are still in a state of shock and disbelief following a recent attack branded as a ‘terrorist” event by the UK media establishment and echoed in political corridors. It seemed so random…
Aside form appearing random, the brutal Woolwich attack this past week was one of the most bizarre and strangest of its kind yet, particularly with the heavily politicised anti-government and ‘Islamic terrorist’ spin which was applied by the corporate media. When this story broke, we told our readers that there is more than meets the eye here. Just like with Boston, it appears we were correct again…
One thing that we learned over the years here at 21st Century Wire is that if an event seems strange, then there is an almost certain probability that the back story is equally as strange and twisted – just like with dead Boston Bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s rather diverse FBI and CIA connections, it often features the covert secret security services in some way. In the case of Tamerlan, the FBI were forced by the media to admit their relationship with him. Has the same thing has happened again with this latest ‘terror attack’ in East London? You decide…
This latest angle to the ranting Woolwich slasher Michael Adebolajo has been birthed by the state-run BBC of all people, perhaps by accident, or maybe not…
After revealing on TV that Adebolajo was in Kenya and was being recruited or perhaps ‘groomed’ in some way – by the British intelligence services, the attacker’s childhood friend and BBC Newsnight guest, Abu Nusaybah, was prompted arrested by the British Anti-Terror agency should raise more questions than answers.
Two important questions: was this attack just a random event, and more importantly, what is the real connection between this assailant and the British MI5 intelligence services? Was he being groomed as a an informant, or as a operational role player – or could MI5 harassment have contributed to radicalising the man? All fair questions.
And what was a young Nigerian like Michael Adebolajo doing in a place like Kenya? One answer: not likely on holiday. The Mail has reported two days ago that he “may have been stopped or arrested on his way to join the militant Islamist group Al Shabaab in Somalia in the past year”.
More importantly, have British authorities detained an innocent man in Abu Nusaybah, as a political prisoner, or because he knows too much?
The death of an off duty British soldier is certainly a tragedy. But this latest development points to something even more shocking right now – that a culture of spooks and secrecy in Britain has somehow given birth to a nasty blister on the surface of our society. Either way you cut it, attaching MI5 to Adebolajo does not look good.
Watch as the BBC carefully smooth over the allegations regarding MI5 as perfectly ‘normal procedure’ in today’s Britain…
The UK’s Guardian newspaper outlines the public-facings aspects of this latest development…
Woolwich suspect’s friend arrested after appearing on Newsnight
Conal Urquhart and Vikram Dodd
A friend of one of the suspected killers of a soldier butchered in a London street was arrested by counter-terrorism officers yesterday after going on television to allege that Michael Adebolajo was tortured inKenya and harassed by MI5 – who asked him to spy for them.
The allegations came from Abu Nusaybah, who was arrested under terrorism legislation minutes after finishing recording his interview for BBC Newsnight.
The Guardian understands that Nusaybah is connected to extremists formerly in the banned group al-Muhajiroun. Counter-terrorism officers turned up at reception at the BBC’s central London headquarters as his interview was being recorded an hour before it was broadcast. The officers waited, then arrested Nusaybah as he left the BBC’s headquarters.
In the interview, Abu Nusaybah in part attributed Adebolajo’s radicalisation to his alleged ill-treatment in Kenya.
Nusaybah alleged that Adebolajo was arrested while studying in a village in Kenya last year. After refusing to answer questions, Adebolajo was told that he was “not in the UK” and was then, he claimed, sexually assaulted. On his return, “he became more reclined [sic], less talkative. He wasn’t his bubbly self,” said Nusaybah, who said that the experience further radicalised Adebolajo.
The Guardian has learned that, last year, Adebolajo went to a lawyer to complain of harassment by MI5, who are drawing criticism today for knowing about the 28-year-old but not assessing him to be a bigger terrorist threat.
He was arrested at the scene of the soldier’s murder in Woolwich on Wednesday in the first terror-related death on mainland Britain since the 7 July 2005 bombings.
The Guardian also understands from Whitehall sources that they were aware that Adebolajo was detained in Kenya before being deported…
May 21, 2013
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