VIDEO — Was The Malaysian Plane In Ukraine The Same One as In March – Joaquin
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Jul 29, 2014
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Interest in MH17 Fades as Sanctions & War Edge Closer
August 4, 2014 (Tony Cartalucci – NEO) – It is abundantly clear that a truthful resolution to the tragedy of the downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was never the goal of Washington, London, and Brussels. Citing baseless accusations surrounding the tragedy, the West has leveled a series of incrementally expansive sanctions against Russia while using the tragedy to justify increased military support for Kiev’s military forces even as they wage total war against their own population including the use of ballistic missiles, airstrikes, artillery barrages, and tanks. Clearly the goal then was to exploit the air disaster as long as possible before the truth began to emerge – and when that truth did emerge, to ensure the subject of MH17 altogether faded from the collective consciousness of the general public.
Surely if the facts surrounding the disaster tallied with Washington, London, and Brussel’s initial and baseless accusations, it would make the subsequent moves by the West to sanction Russia while propping up the regime in Kiev, Ukraine, all the more poignant. Instead, the West appears to be intentionally playing down the actual investigation and pushing forward its gains made – wrought from the tragedy and hailed as a “game changer” in a conflict the West was decidedly losing.
As the Truth Trickles Out…
In the propaganda firestorm following the downing of MH17 the West was careful to cherry pick certain aspects of the disaster and spin it relentlessly as it accused Russia and eastern Ukraine. But even amongst the West’s own investigators a story far from conclusive emerged casting serious doubts on the narrative being peddled from behind podiums in Washington. In an interview with Canada’s CBC News, Michael Bociurkiw, a Ukrainian-Canadian monitor with the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) claimed to have seen what looked like machine gun holes in the fuselage and no evidence he could see of a missile.
While Bociurkiw would admit he lacks the trained eyes to discern what actually may have downed MH17, his eyewitness account sows doubt among the feigned certainty the West used to push through sanctions and to justify military aid to Kiev. The West has utterly failed to provide any evidence at all to either explain Bociurkiw’s observations, or any aspect of their own official narrative. Bociurkiw’s observations do however corroborate certain aspects of Russia’s rebuttal to the West’s accusations.
Russia disclosed radar information and satellite images that contradicted the West’s accusations. The Russian data would also indicate the presence of a Ukrainian SU-25 jet in the vicinity near MH17 before it went down. The SU-25 possesses a 30 mm cannon that would inflict damage like that observed by Bociurkiw. While far from conclusive, it is a much more viable explanation as to what happened to MH17, based on physical evidence, than what has thus far been put forth by the West.
In addition to Bociurkiw’s account, there are many other witnesses and experts who have suggested an SU-25’s 30 mm cannon as the possible culprit behind the downing of MH17 – and as these accounts and analysis begin to reach a crescendo, the West’s interest in ascertaining the truth behind the disaster appears to be at an all time low. So much emphasis was initially placed on the theory of a surface to air missile downing the aircraft that other possibilities were defacto ruled out. However these alternative possibilities were ruled out without any proper investigation or demonstrable evidence to justify doing so.
Sanctions and War In Lieu of an Investigation
Just as the West had attempted to rush to war against Syria based on tenuous, suspicious circumstances surrounding the gassing of thousands on the edge of Damascus, the West now seeks to punish Russia economically and edge itself and Europe ever closer to an expanded proxy war with Moscow. It would be later confirmed that the sarin gas attack in Damascus was the work of NATO itself through its terrorist proxies – and similarly as evidence trickles out regarding MH17 – it appears the West and its proxies were not only the greatest benefactors of the tragedy, but the prime suspects as well.
Once again the West has advanced its agenda forward by disingenuously leveraging tragedy to sell otherwise unjustifiable and undesirable measures against a member of the international community. Stronger European sanctions against Russia had just failed in the days prior to the downing of MH17, but in the wake of the disaster, passed with ease. Likewise, providing Kiev with weapons and training was becoming increasingly unthinkable as their human rights record and their affiliations and proclivities toward Nazism became increasingly difficult to cover up or spin.
Now it appears the West has been able to work around these otherwise insurmountable obstacles and move the region closer toward war and further away from a settlement that would have surely left the West in an undesirable position in relation to Moscow. And as the West moves forward toward what it believes is a more desirable outcome, ascertaining the truth behind what downed MH17 will become an inconvenience. While the West used the memories of those lost in the tragedy to portray Russia and eastern Ukraine as heartless and indifferent to the suffering of innocent lives lost – it is the West who is now demonstrably obstructing justice for these people while shamelessly exploiting it to advance their geopolitical agenda both in Ukraine and against Russia.
For all the promises the West made in regards to seeking the truth behind MH17 – what we see today is memories and enthusiasm fading, the victims forgotten, and the tragedy all but buried – leaving us with sanctions against Russia and binding agreements made by the West to arm, fund, and train militants fighting for the regime in Kiev. If one were to believe the West’s rhetoric about Russia being the “bad guy,” what then, considering the current priority of MH17 within the West’s agenda, does that make Washington, London, and Brussels?
Tony Cartalucci, Bangkok-based geopolitical researcher and writer, especially for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”.
What Really Happened to MH17? An Open Source Investigation
by James Corbett
corbettreport.com
July 20, 2014
This post is intended as a round-up of available information on MH17 from various sources around the web. Corbett Report members are encouraged to debate and discuss the situation in the commments thread below, ask questions, suggest links, and otherwise contribute to this investigation. The article will be updated with information as the investigation continues. [Not a Corbett Report member? Sign up today.]
GENERAL INFORMATION ON MH17:
“A Boeing 777-200 passenger plane, operating Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, crashed in the Ukraine, east of Donetsk. All 298 on board were killed. Flight MH17 departed the gate at Amsterdam-Schiphol Airport, the Netherlands at 12:14 hours local time, bound for Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. It was airborne at 12:30 (10:30 UTC) from runway 36C and reached a cruising altitude of FL310 at 12:53 (10:53 UTC). Ninety minutes into the flight, at 12:01 UTC and just prior to entering Ukrainian airspace, the flight climbed to FL330. This altitude was maintained until last contact by ADS-B receivers of flight tracking websites, about 13:21 UTC.
“At the point of last contact it was flying 1000 feet above airspace that had been restricted as a result of ongoing fighting in the area. Malaysia Airlines reported that MH17 filed a flight plan requesting FL350 throughout Ukrainian airspace. However, the flight was instructed by Ukrainian air traffic control to fly at FL330.”
FLIGHT PATH:
via ZeroHedge:
Perhaps the best visualization of what the issue is, comes from Vagelis Karmiros who has collated all the recent MH-17 flight paths as tracked by Flightaware and shows that while all ten most recent paths pass safely well south of the Donetsk region, and cross the zone above the Sea of Azov, it was only today’s tragic flight that passed straight overhead Donetsk.
via New York Times:
A survey of flights to Asia from Europe in the last week found that some airlines had been flying over eastern Ukraine and some had been avoiding the area. Source: Flight path data from flightradar24.com
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CRASH:
Ukraine’s Position
ITAR-TASS reported in June that Donetsk defense forces seized BUK missile defence systems from an army unit operating in the region, a point repeated and echoed by NATO Supreme Allied Commander Europe General Philip Breedlove in a Pentagon press briefing on June 30. However, this was directly contradicted on July 18th by Ukrainian Prosecutor-General Vitaly Yarema, who told Ukrainian Pravda that militias do not have access to BUK delivery systems or S-300s.
On July 19, Ukrainian intelligence posted what they claim to be intercepted communications showing Russian responsibility for the downing of MH17 along with an English transcript. Numerous alternative media sources claim that the creation timestamp on the video indicates it was created before the crash took place.
Ukraine also claims that a post appeared on the social media account of rebel commander Igor Strelkov exactly 35 minutes after the crash appearing to take credit for the downing. Subsequent reporting, however, pointed out that the post was ambiguously worded and the social media account in question may not be run by Strelkov at all.
The Ukraine security service also published a video on July 18th purporting to show the actual BUK missile launcher used to bring down the plane being shuttled back across the border from Ukraine to Russia. Despite the fact that there is no confirmation from any source when, where or how this video was taken, or whether it in fact shows a BUK system on a Russian transport vehicle, it has been uncritically reported on in much of the western press.
Alternative Positions
In a statement issued late in the day on July 17th, Russian President Putin said: “I want to note that this tragedy would not have happened if there were peace on this land, if the military actions had not been renewed in southeast Ukraine. And, certainly, the state over whose territory this occurred bears responsibility for this awful tragedy.”
A report originally posted to RT.com shortly after the downing suggested that the real target of the missile might have been President Putin’s plane, which was said to have been scheduled to fly over the exact same airspace as MH17 less than an hour after it was shot down. This claim has since been retracted and RT has noted that Putin has been avoiding Ukrainian airspace altogether since the recent coup took place in Kiev.
According to a report circulating widely in the alternative media, a Spanish air traffic controller working in the Ukraine on the 17th tweeted a series of messages indicating that the Ukrainian military shot down the flight and that “Kiev authorities” and “foreigners” subsequently took over the civilian air traffic control center overseeing the disputed airspace in an apparent cover-up. The twitter account (@spainbuca) of the alleged air traffic controller, “Carlos,” was then reportedly removed. [UPDATE: RT has conducted interviews with Carlos, who has been deported from Ukraine.]
Some researchers suggest that the timing of the disaster, coming as it does right after Putin heralded the beginning of the long-awaited BRICS Development Bank is more than coincidental. This theory posits that the crash was staged by the US/EU/NATO or other powers as part of a proxy war taking place in the “new cold war” between Russia (one of the key players in an organization that is seen as a key rival to the so-called “Washington Consensus” institutions, the IMF and the World Bank) and the US.
Some have suggested that the takedown of MH17 was also related to the six passengers on board who were heading to an AIDS conference in Melbourne hosted by the International AIDS society. The theory holds that the researchers were going to question the origins of AIDS and were taken out in a similar manner to Dr. Jonathan Mann.
Yet others point to the numerology of MH17, noting “Flight MH17, a Boeing 777, first flew on 7-17-97 and crashed 17 years later, on 7-17-14.” It has also been linked to a bizarre video of a speech IMF President Christine Lagarde gave at the National Press Club in Washington on January 15, 2014 in which she repeatedly told the audience to pay attention to the “magic number 7″ and made numerological connections to WWI and other events.
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Rebel Leader Says Many of the Dead Bodies in MH17 Weren’t “Fresh” – video included
by Melissa Melton
Activist Post
Jul 19, 2014
Sorry to be so grotesque, but there aren’t a lot of other ways to say it.
The Associated Press article floating around the mainstream media in source after source (surely before it gets buried forever) is simply titled, “Rebel Leader Gives Bizarre Account of Plane Crash”.
How bizarre, exactly?
The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that “a significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition. [emphasis added]
Of course, the commander will be immediately discredited by western-backed establishment media sources simply because of which side of this conflict he politically stands on.
Not the point, however.
Bodies drained of blood and reeking of decomposition at a fresh crash site?
Who would even think to make something like that up in the first place?
This story is only bizarre until you consider the fact that this situation might be staged.
That explanation might help explain what’s going on in this video below, supposedly taken of the crash site moments after the plane went down, where a man scatters a handful of what look like brand new, unscathed passports from the Netherlands on the ground.
Again…are they wagging the dog to get us in to wider war?
Sure, President Obama seemed all properly concerned today when he mentioned at a press conference that an American was indeed killed on board MH17 and basically advanced the narrative that “Russia did it”.
He wasn’t all that concerned yesterday — right after the crash happened — when the media thought perhaps 23 Americans had been killed, however…at least not enough to cancel his burger photo op.
Melissa Melton is a writer, researcher, and analyst for The Daily Sheeple, where this first appeared, and a co-creator of Truthstream Media. Wake the flock up!
VIDEO — Busted! Kiev’s Video Implicating Russia Posted to Youtube BEFORE Plane Was Shot Down
Activist Post
Jul 18, 2014
Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 Lured Into A Death Trap?
nsnbc international
Jul 18, 2014
Christof Lehmann (nsnbc) : Who made the decision that Flight MH17 should fly right above a combat zone when the flight used a more southerly route before? Why did the Ukrainian air traffic controller designate an altitude to flight MH17 that was lower than usual? Why did the Ukrainian authorities close the airspace up to 32,000 ft while the route was declared safe by the ICAO? What are the procedures, who took which decisions, when, and why? Was Flight MH17 lured into a deathtrap?
Was Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur lured into a well-prepared death trap?
Eyewitnesses reported that at least one missile hit the plane that disintegrated in flight, strewing wreckage and bodies over an at least 1,000 x 1,000 meter wide crash site. (mid-section only, the size of the debris field is several square kilometers).
If the 19-year-old Boeing 777-200 with a reportedly flawless maintenance record was struck by a missile, the event will have left unmistakable forensic evidence.
Radar records can be used to determine the flight-path of the missile or the missiles, say experts. The Flight Data Recorder and Cockpit Voice Recorder will tell us more.
Click on the images to enlarge.
The red flags pointing to a missile are:
- The good maintenance record, in-flight disintegration;
- The relatively small parts of wreckage;
- The relatively intact bodies of the 298 passenger and crew, strewn over more than several square kilometers;
- No emergency call; What ever happened, happened very fast, came without a warning and had an immediate, catastrophic effect;
- The plane flew right above the area in Ukraine that has seen the most intense fighting in recent days.
“The likelihood that forensic evidence will be found, that supports the hypothesis that a missile brought down MH17 is above 80 percent” said a professional Danish pilot to us on condition of anonymity.
“The likelihood that it can be determined where the missile was launched from is 75 percent or above”, he said, adding that “none of my colleagues doubts that there was a missile. The question is who fired it, and who is going to get to play the role of the fall guy”.
The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), Eurocontrol and Unanswered Questions.
Several media reported that Ukrainian authorities had closed the airspace up to 32,000 ft. Malaysia Airlines states that MH17 filed a flight plan, requesting to fly at 35,000ft throughout Ukrainian Airspace which is close to the optimum altitude. Malaysia Airlines continues:
However, an aircraft’s altitude in flight is determined by air traffic control on the ground. Upon entering Ukrainian airspace, MH17 was instructed by Ukrainian air traffic control to fly at 33,000ft. … In April, the International Civil Aviation Organization identified an area over the Crimean peninsula as risky. At no point did MH17 fly into, or request to fly into, this area. At all times, MH17 was in airspace approved by the ICAO.
To sum this up. Malaysia Airlines was sure that it was flying through airspace that was approved by the ICAO.
When MH17 entered Ukrainian airspace its pilots were reportedly ordered to go to 33,000ft instead of 35,000ft, as requested in the flight plan, which still would be 1,000 ft above the 32,000 ft to which the Ukrainian authorities reportedly had closed the airspace. 1,000 ft; Not much.
This poses a number of procedural questions. Since Eurocontrol operates under ICAO rules we called the ICAO in Switzerland.
Call one got us to a receptionist and on to an expert who supposedly could answer questions. What we got was an answering machine and a promise to be called back. Call two got us nowhere, because nobody picked up the phone; not even a receptionist. Call three got us through to the same receptionist again who now tried to refer to a press release.
Not good enough. A press spokesman? No, not good enough either! An expert? Yes, and please one who can answer procedural questions pertaining MH17! You’ve got it, what was your phone number again? I’ll make sure someone calls you back.
The kind receptionist got our number, but we still didn’t get the call which we are waiting for and that, even though our questions are really very simple and should not be difficult to answer for the ICAO experts.
Answers to these questions would especially be helpful “before” asking Eurocontrol and the Ukrainian Ministry of Infrastructure additional questions. Here they are, as simple as the get.
- Which ICAO protocols does Eurocontrol normally follow to assure that it does not designate airspace to planes, that either has been closed by the Ukrainian government or that is dangerously near such closed airspace?
- Which obligations would the Ukrainian authorities have if they closed an airspace below 32,000 ft? Who exactly would have to communicate what, to whom?
Since Eurocontrol and the Ukrainian air traffic controllers, reportedly, designated a flight level only 1,000 ft above reportedly closed airspace; and since MH17 landed in a field, with all of the 298 souls on board killed, possibly due to a missile, I thought that these would be reasonable questions. Questions which should be easy to answer for the ICAO “experts”. Answers to these simple questions would have been helpful before asking Eurocontrol and before asking the Ukrainian government.
The Ukrainian Ministry for Infrastructure, Closed Airspace, Changed Flight Levels, Changed Routes. 298 Dead and A Couple of Unanswered Questions.
Screen capture, courtesy of RT
We called the Ukrainian Ministry for Infrastructure to ask if they could get us through to someone who could answer some of our questions for our readers or direct us to someone who could.
The first call got us through to a receptionist who registered our phone number, called someone on another line and then tried to connect us to someone who possibly could help.
The call was dropped. We called again, no answer. Third time, no answer. The result was the same the other times so we will try again on Monday; maybe we would be more successful if we called from another phone number? The questions we wanted to ask the Ministry were also very simple.
- Which procedures do Ukrainian authorities follow to assure that Eurocontrol and other authorities are appropriately informed about the closure of airspace.
- Whether there was someone at the Ministry who could help us identify the authority and provide contact details at that authority that was responsible for changing the routes of flights through Ukrainian airspace.
- In particular, we would like to know who exactly was responsible for changing the route of MH17 from a path just North of Crimea in the days between July 7 and July 15, to a more northerly route on July 16, and to an even more northerly route, precisely across the airspace, that allegedly had been closed to an altitude lower than 32,000 ft. An area that has seen the most heavy fighting in Ukraine in the days before the tragic crash.
- We would also like to know whether it is correct that the airspace was closed below 32,000 ft, if yes who closed it and why; Who then, would have reported this closure to Eurocontrol, via which channels?
- What are the regulations that guide communications between the Ministry of Infrastructure, the Ministry of the Interior which is in command of the National Guard and the ADS forces in Ukraine, and the Ministry of Defense, with regard to the safety of airspace?
We will be calling the Ministry of Infrastructure again on Monday. By then, they have probably received our e-mail. We included the screen captures of the flighaware software that documents the changed flightpath, so it should be easy to grasp what it’s all about?
We will also call the ICAO again on Monday, because it would be good to know exactly which ICAO procedures Eurocontrol uses or would be supposed to use in a situation as the one that led to the crash of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17. We will of course also call the Ministry of the Interior and the Ministry of Defense, Eurocontrol, Amsterdam Airport, and others who can help us and our readers answer the question whether MH17 was lured into a trap or not.
The truth is usually very simple. It’s first when someone tries to cover it up, that things become complicated. The families of the 298 victims have the right to be told the truth. It’s as simple as that.
CH/L – nsnbc 18.07.2014
To be continued
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Netanyahu and Rahm Emmanuel Agree: Never Let a Crisis Go To Waste
by Brandon Turbeville
Activist Post
Jul 18, 2014
While the world is focused on the questions surrounding the Malaysian flight that crashed in Ukraine on July 17 and the aftermath that will result from it, another campaign of genocide in a long list of campaigns of genocide is taking place in Gaza.
After days of both air and sea-based military strikes against Palestinians living Gaza, Israeli tanks have crossed the border and are now pushing even deeper into the tiny sliver of land.
According to Israeli military statements, Israel has called up 48,000 reserve troops as well as 18,000 additional soldiers which were called upon on Thursday, July 17.
So far, the death toll in Palestine has reached around 260. There has been only fatality on the Israeli side, a soldier who was killed in the northern part of Gaza.
Approximately one third of Palestinian casualties are women and children.
All of this occurs, of course, in the face of immense apathy on the part of the Western public or even unfortunately amidst fanatical, albeit misguided, support.
Yet even the activist communities who would have been focused on drawing attention to the slaughter taking place in Gaza have now been drawn off target as they follow the details of a downed plane in Ukraine, an apparent false flag designed to attract world attention and drum up support for a NATO confrontation with Russia.
Clearly, the world oligarchy is not letting a good crisis go to waste.
With this in mind, it is important to remember the reported words of Benjamin Netanyahu, the now Prime Minister of Israel who stated, in 1989 as the then-Deputy Foreign Minister, that “Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China [Tiananamen Square], when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories.”[1]
Netanyahu’s statement is, of course, very similar to the sentiment expressed by former Obama Chief of Staff, Chicago Mayor, and former civilian volunteer for the Israeli Defense Forces, Rahm Emmanuel when he stated that “You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that, it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.”
Thus, it is important to remember that, whenever mainstream press outlets begin coverage of a subject that takes on a life of its own – 24 hour a day coverage and constant updates – that, while it may very well be a legitimate issue, it may just as likely be a sleight of hand.
Notes:
[1] The Netanyahu quote is provided by Al-Jazeera. However, the original source, according to Al-Jazeera is the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.
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Brandon Turbeville is an author out of Florence, South Carolina. He has a Bachelor’s Degree from Francis Marion University and is the author of six books, Codex Alimentarius — The End of Health Freedom, 7 Real Conspiracies, Five Sense Solutions and Dispatches From a Dissident, volume 1 and volume 2, and The Road to Damascus: The Anglo-American Assault on Syria. Turbeville has published over 300 articles dealing on a wide variety of subjects including health, economics, government corruption, and civil liberties. Brandon Turbeville’s podcast Truth on The Tracks can be found every Monday night 9 pm EST at UCYTV. He is available for radio and TV interviews. Please contact activistpost (at) gmail.com.
VIDEO — Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 Crash: Propaganda Decoded
Stefan Molyneux
Jul 18, 2014
Russia and American tensions continue to escalate as Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 was shot down Thursday in eastern Ukraine along Russia’s border. Without a full investigation, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John McCain and others in the United States government have reached the conclusion Russia was responsible for the deadly attack. Vladimir Putin and Russia deny any involvement, as the mainstream media and the world at large look to assign blame in this horrific situation. Stefan Molyneux decodes the propaganda and presents the facts as they are presently known.
Sources: http://www.fdrurl.com/MH17Crash
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